Threats and Bullying
You may have noticed that I haven’t been quite as active online lately. (Some of you may be grateful for this, and to you I say Pbbt!!!) My mother commented that it looked like I had won a Hugo and then said, “Well, that was fun. Time to move on to something new.”
The recent sparsity has actually been due to several issues.
- My wife suffered a bulging and torn disk in her spine a few weeks back, and we’re still dealing with that.
- I was promoted to manager of my team at work, which is a good thing, but eats up more mental energy, so there’s less left over at the end of the day.
- I’m trying to get through as much of Codex Born as I can this month, meaning what time and energy I do have in the evenings and weekends tends to go to the book first.
While I have no intention of stopping the blog, I don’t know exactly when I’ll get back to a more regular schedule.
With that said, I wanted to follow up on some things from a week or so back, when I blogged about Ann Crispin’s situation with Ridan Publishing and threatened to “drop the entire fucking internet” on Robin Sullivan’s head if they didn’t fix this. While a lot of people were supportive, others were uncomfortable with what they saw as me crossing the line into threats and bullying.
It was most definitely a threat, and threats are unpleasant, yes. But sometimes they’re a clear and necessary statement of consequences:
- “If your dog gets loose and snaps at my kid again, I’m calling the pound.”
- “Grab my ass one more time, and I’ll have you thrown out of this convention on yours.”
- “Keep running up obscene texting charges, and I’ll take your phone away.”
I think what crosses the line is when the threat is unnecessary, or the consequence is disproportionate to what’s going on.
- “Throw my newspaper in the bushes again, and I’ll bulldoze your freaking house, then set your armpit hair on fire with a propane torch!”
Was my threat to drop the internet on Sullivan’s head disproportionate to what she had done, or hadn’t done, in this case? I think that depends on how you understood the threat. Because while my plan was simply to use every connection I had to shine the light of shame and bad publicity on her inaction, that’s not the only interpretation for “dropping the internet” on someone. I’ve seen internet criticism get out of hand, turning into an all-out mob of harassment and insults and threats of bodily harm, even when the intent or underlying cause might seem just.
If you thought that was what I was threatening to do, then I agree it’s completely unacceptable. And while that wasn’t my intention, it’s my responsibility for not communicating more clearly.
Then there’s the accusation that I was bullying Sullivan. This came from someone I respect and consider a friend, so I spent a lot of time thinking about it and talking it over with a few people I trust.
I do see what my friend was saying, that I reminded them of a schoolyard bully threatening to round up my gang and pound the snot out of you after school. And I did threaten to bring “my gang” into it.[1. I now have an image of a bunch of middle-aged SF/F writers in leather jackets doing the snapping routine from West Side Story.]
I’m not seeing it as bullying, though. Some of that may be defensiveness on my part. I don’t think of myself as a bully, and certainly don’t want to see myself that way. But having spent a lot of time on the receiving end of the bully equation, it doesn’t feel like the same thing. Bullying is all about the pleasure and the power and the torment. To me, the situation with Ridan feels more like a gang getting together to threaten the bully if he (or she) doesn’t stop tormenting and hurting someone else.
Or maybe I’m just trying to rationalize my actions. And it would be easy to point to the results as justification. Robin Sullivan apologized and even thanked me for “rightfully reading [her] the riot act.” Crispin got a phone call less than 24 hours after my blog post, and had her money within 48. I feel good about that. But I don’t automatically buy the ends-justify-the-means excuse, and I wonder if I could have accomplished the same thing with a less pointed post. Being overtired and angry, did I jump straight to the nuclear option when I didn’t need to?
In this case, when Ridan had not responded to so many of Ann Crispin’s calm and professional attempts to resolve the situation, maybe the threat was necessary. Maybe a calmer post wouldn’t have worked. Or maybe it would have. There’s no way to know.
What I do know is that I don’t like being that guy. I don’t like being that angry, and I’m not all that fond of intense confrontation.
I also know it’s something I’d be willing to do again, if necessary. But I think I need to take a little more time to think about whether or not it’s necessary, and if so, to be more clear in my writing.
I am pleased with and proud of the outcome, but I also appreciate those of you who told me you were uncomfortable with my tactics. Thank you.
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Jenny
October 18, 2012 @ 10:14 am
But who’s Maria? Are the Jets the hard-science faction and the Sharks the urban fantasy? When does this come out on Netflix?
Violette Malan
October 18, 2012 @ 10:32 am
Sometimes it IS hard to tell the difference between a defensive act and bullying (counter-bullying?) It’s especially hard afterward, when the reaction sets in, and the second guessing begins. I agree that it’s not a great idea to act when in the first flush of anger, but it remains that you must act. How do you know you’re not bullying? When there’s an imbalance of power, and you’re standing up for the side that has the least. When you achieve the objective, and you immediately desist any strong-arm tactics. When you don’t look around for new targets for your justified (rationalized) tactics. Is that clear? Good. Now put out that cigarette, put the flick knife away, and go back to snapping your fingers and dancing.
Crystal
October 18, 2012 @ 10:35 am
>>I now have an image of a bunch of middle-aged SF/F writers in leather jackets doing the snapping routine from West Side Story
Next convention, can you get a picture of that?
D
October 18, 2012 @ 11:05 am
I’m seeing a NYC WorldCon with a “When You’re a Jet” parody in the opening ceremonies…or a really well planned filk circle…
ABE
October 18, 2012 @ 11:13 am
I followed the whole episode with interest, from your first ‘dropping internet’ post to today’s, and, no, I don’t think you either bullied or overreacted. IMHO
It was clear that polite letters hadn’t gotten your friend anywhere. This seems to be a common modus operandi these days for publishers: royalty statements that are incorrect, late or missing checks, contract terms taking advantage of writers, agents acting in their own interest instead of their clients’ interests, no rights reversions, ebook rights grabs, a general state of war in the book business.
The only unusual part was that 1) you got an immediate reaction, and 2) your friend got her money. That doesn’t seem to happen often.
You did threaten – but not with the typical overreacting threats disproportionate to the offense that have been seen on the web lately (ex: the Goodreads bullying overreaction which went personal and turned into a flame war).
Maybe you should have been more specific – but I got it, and I assumed other intelligent readers would, too. I’ve seen Konrath do it with far more expletives – and even he keeps from being a bully.
There IS a line. Your post sounded frustrated, annoyed for a friend. But not on the wrong side of the line.
It sounds as if you feel a bit guilty since the recipient of your annoyance responded properly (for whatever her reasons) by fixing the problem. You couldn’t have known she would (witness your friend’s unanswered letters), or that she would respond with a smaller amount of pressure.
But I don’t think it is any different from a Congressman stepping into a SS dispute for a constituent: yes, a little more firepower than necessary is exerted, but the constituent wasn’t getting anywhere with the bureaucracy before that, often after repeated efforts. Sometimes it helps a whole lot to go to the top. It shouldn’t – we are all supposedly equal to our government – but it does.
In this case, your friend had firepower: you. She is lucky to have you on her side. Otherwise she would still be stuck, with no money, no funds to hire a lawyer, and no recourse.
You didn’t do it for yourself; you did it to protect a friend who was being abused. No, I don’t think you overreacted.
IMHO
Annalee
October 18, 2012 @ 12:20 pm
You’re a class act, Jim. Were I in your shoes, the conversation would have ended with “Bullying? Pfffft.” But even when things go your way, you actually take criticism and think through what you could have done better.
I have Thoughts about what’s been happening to the word ‘bullying’ lately. Like racism and sexism before it, as soon as the media/larger public started paying attention to bullying, people started appropriating the word. People use accusations of bullying to twist the social stigma around and use it to enforce, rather than challenge, the systems of power that have allowed bullying to infect our society.
Viral shaming (I hate the term ‘mob’ in this context) is one of few tools that people have to level the field when someone is abusing their power. Obviously, viral shaming can also be used to enforce power imbalances and hurt innocent people, but just because defamation is wrong doesn’t mean free speech is too.
I’m glad this incident worked out in Crispin’s favor. I met her at CapClave last weekend and she’s a lovely human being.
Steve C
October 18, 2012 @ 4:08 pm
The fact that you always take an honest look at your actions and intentions, are always open to being informed of any unjust behavior, and are always aiming for the situation in which everyone wins, shows which side of the Force you’re on.
And very classy of Robin Sullivan to see that and respond in kind.
Jim C. Hines
October 18, 2012 @ 6:54 pm
I may have to sit down and write myself a filk song soon 🙂
Jim C. Hines
October 18, 2012 @ 6:55 pm
“…and go back to snapping your fingers and dancing.”
My kids are gonna look at me funny, but who am I to argue with another DAW author?
Sheryl Nantus
October 19, 2012 @ 9:50 am
I’ve had a bulging disc in my lower back for years and know a bit of what your wife is going through. It becomes a case of lurching from bed to chair to bed and doing a whole lot of grunting ’cause screaming isn’t an option.
Sending healing wishes her way – I hope she gets good medical advice and is on the road to recovery.
Sheryl Nantus
October 19, 2012 @ 9:52 am
I’m not sure how “classy” it is when RS posts her reasoning and then points out that it was only XXX dollars, as if Ann was making much ado about nothing.
I’m just glad Ann got her books back. But I still wouldn’t recommend Ridan.
Random Michelle
October 19, 2012 @ 2:47 pm
“I now have an image of a bunch of middle-aged SF/F writers in leather jackets doing the snapping routine from West Side Story.”
Didn’t the kids/YA authors already do that?
So, there wasn’t snapping and singing…
Random Michelle
October 19, 2012 @ 2:47 pm
Err… forgot to close that tag. Sorry.
Steven Saus
October 19, 2012 @ 10:54 pm
I call Mr. White.
Though, really, I’m probably more Silent Bob. 🙂
JoelZ
October 24, 2012 @ 2:25 pm
There was a fannish parody called “Midwestside Story” written and performed by a group of Minneapolis fans in (I believe) the mid to late 1970’s. Unfortunately, I cannot find my copy to provide more details.
Lark
October 29, 2012 @ 9:37 pm
Oh, please do! That I would love to read (or sing).