In Which John C. Wright Completely Loses his Shit over Legend of Korra
ETA: Good morning, all! For the new folks, please know that while disagreement is fine, I don’t have much patience for trolling, sock-puppetry, and for showing up in my space to act like a douchewagon. Comments that can’t handle that will be fed to the goblins.
ETA2: And to forestall certain individuals’ whining about “free speech,” please see this post: Freedom of Speech 101.
ETA3: As of April 2015, it looks like Mr. Wright has deleted his post. It’s archived at the Wayback Machine, however.
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To the shock of nobody who’s ever read his blog, John C. Wright is Very Unhappy with the ending of The Legend of Korra, in which Korra and Asami, two female women characters of the same girlish gender, hold hands while walking off into the spirit world together. Wright links to an article which confirms the romantic relationship between these two women, and writes:
“A children’s show, of all places, is where you decided to place an ad for a sexual aberration; you pervert your story telling skills to the cause of propaganda and political correctness.”
I assume Wright’s blog post was written over the course of several days, as he would have needed time to swoon over the horrific perversion of two women holding hands. Not to mention having to counsel his poor, traumatized children.
Keep in mind, this is a show that not only had explicit male/female smooching, but has also shown a woman being suffocated to death via airbending, the imprisonment and torture of Korra, the suicide of a season one villain, and plenty of other instances of brutal violence. But this is what Wright feels he must “protect” the children from.
Wright continues:
“You were not content to leave the matter ambiguous, no, but had publicly to announce that you hate your audience, our way of life, our virtues, values, and religion.”
The delusionality is strong with this one. Watch as he attempts to speak for an entire audience, many of whom were screaming with happiness at the Korra/Asami revelation.
Go watch this video of fan reactions. Look at the joy on those people’s faces.
These are some of the people he’s trying to speak for. Do they look like people whose way of life, whose values and religion and virtues, are so incredibly fragile that they can be hurt so badly by a several-second clip of two women holding hands, or the idea of two women falling in love?
Mister Wright, you do not speak for the audience of this show. You speak for yourself, and perhaps for a small group of intolerant bigots who can’t accept the slightest acknowledgement or recognition of relationships you personally disapprove of, for whatever twisted reason.
“Mr DiMartino and Mr Konietzko: You are disgusting, limp, soulless sacks of filth. You have earned the contempt and hatred of all decent human beings forever, and we will do all we can to smash the filthy phallic idol of sodomy you bow and serve and worship. Contempt, because you struck from behind, cravenly; and hatred, because you serve a cloud of morally-retarded mental smog called Political Correctness, which is another word for hating everything good and bright and decent and sane in life.”
The Phallic Idol of Sodomy. Also known as the Ypsilanti Water Tower:
I went to grad school in Ypsi. It’s amazing I escaped with my heterosexuality intact, spending two years in such close proximity to the PIoS!
A part of me wants to ask what happened to Mr. Wright that a couple of bisexual cartoon characters could send him into such an apoplexy of hatred and rage. What happened to make you so afraid, sir?
But before we get into that, I have to ask how you came to the conclusion that a relationship between two women was all about phallicism and sodomy. I think you might be a little confused as to how things work. Does someone need to sit you down and have “the talk”?
Wright concludes his rant by saying:
“I have no hatred in my heart for any man’s politics, policies, or faith, any more than I have hatred for termites; but once they start undermining my house where I live, it is time to exterminate them.”
Right. There’s nothing hateful about calling people “disgusting, limp, soulless sacks of filth,” or comparing them to termites and calling for their extermination.
Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra are shows about overcoming hatred and violence and fear. How can you claim to be “a lifelong fan” when you hold so much hatred and intolerance in your heart?
Aang would be so disappointed in you. I suspect Korra would simply turn her back on you and your irrelevant, close-minded views.
I know I’m not going to change your mind. I’m not going to break you out of your little world, or get you to see that the rest of the world is moving on without you. I doubt I’ll make any difference in helping you to see how much Korra and Asami matter to people, how important a step this was. I doubt you’ll recognize LGBT people as human beings with as much value and right to love and happiness as you or me.
But I can damn well make sure you understand that you do not speak for the audience of this show. You are not the mouthpiece for fans. Speak your poison in your own name if you must, but don’t tarnish the rest of fandom with your bile.
On that note, I’ll leave you with a couple of fan-made gifs.
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 12:55 am
Yes, Mr. Helton, I would wager you are a bigot, and what’s more, I’m prepared to demonstrate it. Would you care to take up the challenge?
Christopher Helton
December 31, 2014 @ 1:01 am
Pure. Comedy. Gold.
Great magician name by the way.
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 1:04 am
Very well. You see, on this issue at least, I understand you. I understand what you think and what sort of arguments you are likely to use. You, however, probably do not understand me at all. Despite having the opportunity to hear our arguments hundreds of times, you’ve probably never bothered listening at all. I can recite a basic version of your beliefs on the subject of homosexual “marriage”. I highly doubt you could do the same for me, bigot.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 1:06 am
I have created a better link to Mr. Wright’s “open letter.”
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 1:07 am
Dara, if you’ll take a look at that link, it is passed through a proxy whose apparent purpose is to not give notice of its origin. That is, it is intended to allow the cowardly Mr. Hines to snipe at Mr. Wright without his ever hearing of it. It is childish and cowardly. I guess after having experienced a rhetorical beatdown from Mr. Correia, Hines decided he didn’t want to be part of an honest debate and was more interested in one-way snark.
Christopher Helton
December 31, 2014 @ 1:08 am
Whatever gets you through the night.
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 1:13 am
Remember, to disagree with the leftist orthodoxy on any point is to be against “treating other people like human beings”. There is no possibility of honest dissent. There is no question of competing priorities. They are right. Those who disagree with them are merely evil. I wager you’d be good friends with Floyd Corkins.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 1:17 am
It is, nonetheless, a link to the article, and to claim that no such link is included is simply to lie. As someone with a moderately well-trafficed blog, it is routine to receive referral hits from sites that do not include href data, or which include only partial href data; on some days, these have been the majority of my hits.
Further, a difference which makes no difference is no difference; you and Mr. Wright have obviously both managed to find your way here. If the only intent is to obscure source, it is patently ineffective; perhaps the privacy of those browsing may have been considered.
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 1:39 am
Just curious, does the death of Jesse Dirkhising mean anything? Does the recent arrest of founder of the gay activist group Human Rights Campaign for raping a fifteen year old boy mean anything?
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 1:39 am
Those two fan gifs are so sweet and adorable. I haven’t seen this show yet (though I’ve seen and loved ATLA), but Korrasami being canon (along with the rec from my wife’s ex-girlfriend) is making me quite interested. I suspect we’ll get around to seeing it sometime in the new year.
(And I have to say that the commenter’s like about swinging past “Christ” to “Christ, what an asshole!” has had me giggling for a while. HEE.)
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 1:40 am
Er, for “commenter’s like” read “commenter’s line”, or perhaps simply “comment.” I’m not asleep yet, ma!
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 1:46 am
This comment made my night. 😀 😀
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 1:56 am
Yes, it does. It means that you’re the sort of person who will take unconnected incidents separated by a long period of time and use them to promulgate blanket hatred and prejudice towards all members of a large group of people. The form of the challenge further indicates that you’re the sort of person who actively wants to trigger some sort of outraged disagreement, presumably because you enjoy getting that reaction.
Why, were you expecting it to mean something else?
lkeke35
December 31, 2014 @ 2:01 am
So much this! There’s a pretty good list of movie and TV shows with that trope. From Brokeback Mountain to Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
What happened at the end of Korra, is a break from that tradition that LGBTQ people can never be happy together.
lkeke35
December 31, 2014 @ 2:04 am
I loved that video, too. I’ve only ever seen a few episodes of the show and it’s end but I was laughing and crying at the video as much as those fans. It was fascinating watching them be so transported. I wonder if I look like that to my family when I watch my favorite shows.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 2:08 am
Wait, wait, no, I’m wrong – it means you’re the sort of person who has so little respect for his audience (fans of the literature of ideas) that you think they’ll go along with this sort of slipshod rhetorical inanity. In short, it means that you are a bad person and should feel bad.
Did I get it?
lkeke35
December 31, 2014 @ 2:13 am
I think writing, like comedy, is most effective when you have a certain amount of emotional fearlessness.
You have to be able to go to certain places in your writing and fear and hatred against certain portions of humanity doesn’t help. I think the negativity will display itself in whatever you write, eventually. I think this is especially true of SFF.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 2:16 am
(I really hope I got it. Is there a prize? I hope there’s a prize. I can’t wait to find out what kind of prize I won. 😀 )
lkeke35
December 31, 2014 @ 2:22 am
That does explain all the tears I saw in the video. All I understood was that these people were extremely happy, and didn’t quite get why. But I get it now.
Thank you.
Montague (C. M. Boyd)
December 31, 2014 @ 2:41 am
Clever and useless analysis. Mr. Wright uses the term in the terminological sense of the word, which is a clear and certain thing regardless of what Sodom’s sins were. No one has argued (I should think) that the only sin of Sodom was sodomy. But sodomy is defined both in the CCC
Furthermore (to address a -let us say- clever, and again, useless allusion in the article above) it is quite obvious that sodomy is being used either metonymically, or in a general sense of “unnatural sexual relations.” Need I say that Mr. Wright is the sire of three children, and has a working knowledge of the biological mechanisms involved in procreation?
Montague (C. M. Boyd)
December 31, 2014 @ 2:47 am
Oops, I forgot to end a sentence. My apologies. First paragraph should end: “But sodomy is defined both in the CCC, and by popular usage, as an act independent of historical locations.” Or something like that.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 2:52 am
Need I say that Mr. Wright is the sire of three children, and has a working knowledge of the biological mechanisms involved in procreation?
Given that he’s going on about “phallic idol[s]” in a relationship between two women, I have to say that frankly, I’m not convinced.
Brian Niemeier
December 31, 2014 @ 2:52 am
“I’m not going to break you out of your little world, or get you to see that the rest of the world is moving on without you.”
By “the rest of the world” you apparently mean the relatively small number of mostly Western, mostly white countries where the majority approve of homosexuality.
While not presuming to know the disposition of other people’s hearts, I can’t help but notice that the above quote excludes a whole lot of people from certain demographics.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 2:56 am
It took me days to figure out what was going on. I’m not even convinced this is all of it. But I’m pretty sure it’s most of it.
I am still just occasionally stopping during the day and re-realising this happened all over again, and tearing up. Or just suddenly laughing, or feeling so happy just out of nowhere.
Basically this is still ping-ponging my way through my psyche, and I don’t really know when it’ll stop. And I’m fine with that. Merry Korrasamimas to all, and to all, a good night! 😀
emi
December 31, 2014 @ 3:10 am
Totally agree with you on this as a point.
But to geek fact check you on Mercedes Lackey (making the assumption the gay character you’re referring to is Vanyel), he does lose his first love Tylendel… but then Tylendel is reincarnated as Stefan and Vanyel ends up with him. They even get to be ghosts together as I recall. The last herald mage / Valdemar books were super schmaltzy, but I loved reading them as a young teen. They stuck with me. 🙂
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 3:32 am
Yeah, that being spirits together thing did not fly with me. I mean, sure, it was an attempt to patch that up, and I appreciate the effort? But yeah, no, not the same as actually living your life together. That matters, and it still left that same bitter ending taste. (“Well, sure, they don’t get together until they’re both dead, but as spirits they do!” And that’s the good option? Damn.)
At least, that’s how it read for me, and for a bunch of other people I know. So.
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 3:33 am
….you are aware that there are gay people in all countries on this planet, yes?
And that there are plenty of cultures that are neither western nor white which have traditions of gender and sexuality that are much more complex than one-man, one-woman, no-trans-people-need apply, including ones that go back before contact with western/European cultures? Some of which Europeans tried to eradicate when they got there because they were too foreign and “savage”?
A whole lot of American Indian two-spirit folks and Thai kathoey, to pick just two, would beg to differ that LGBT people are a product of white liberalism.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 3:39 am
Well, except Iran, of course. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said so, and of course, it must be true. Oh, and Sochi. Because Russia, or something.
I suspect that North Korea is similarly free of gaiety, but I have no official statement on that.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 3:44 am
Oh! Oh! A new game? Are we going to play “homosexuality and bisexuality are intrinsically racist?” That’s fun. I hope it’s not “American Exceptionalism is everything except when it comes to the queers,” though, because honestly, that one’s so tiresome. But it starts the same way as “homosexuality and bisexuality are intrinsically racist,” so I can never tell.
Or wait, are we going to play the “social conservatives suddenly care about racism and cultural imperialism, but only until we call it that at which point they’ll stop and accuse people of playing the race card” game? Maybe it’s that one. That one never stops being funny.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 3:50 am
Oh my gods, they’re quoting my snark over there as serious business commentary, and then monologuing against that version of what I said. brb dying XD
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 3:50 am
I seem to recall when I was a young’un hearing that there were no gays in Soviet Russia either, so I’m sure the Sochi thing is legit! Totally.
Brian Niemeier
December 31, 2014 @ 3:51 am
And here we see that Westerners continue projecting their worldview onto others by blithely ignoring those cultures’ overwhelming rejection of homosexuality.
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 4:07 am
Ooh, you called it! Little of column A, little of column C, I’m thinking.
Not sure what you win; our toaster oven here is broken anyway… 😛
jaythenerdkid
December 31, 2014 @ 4:26 am
The only thing I disagree with here is the implication that women can’t have penises, which is a bit cissexist and made me uncomfortable. The rest is, of course, brilliant.
Brian Niemeier
December 31, 2014 @ 5:44 am
A game? You can call it that if you like. But I’m not your opponent. I’m trying to show you why you’re losing; in vain, because the same mistake precludes your awareness of it. You refuse to listen.
Morgan
December 31, 2014 @ 7:35 am
“There is no evidence, not one iota, for a relationship beyond friendship between the two women in the actual show.”
This may come as a shock to you, but many romantic relationships start out as friendship. Is it so unusual in your world for friendship to blossom into something more?
Morgan
December 31, 2014 @ 7:39 am
I’m curious… what did you use to get the frothy indignation off your monitor? I have that same problem. I’ve tried righteous anger, teary-eyed sadness, even Windex, but it’s still there.
yamamanama
December 31, 2014 @ 8:47 am
The only reason they’re so overwhelming about it is because the British Empire pushed their beliefs on them.
Ken
December 31, 2014 @ 8:52 am
So current Iranian and Russian society is what we should be modeling here? No thanks, I’ll pass.
Frankly the false dichotomy of “condemn others who disagree with you” or “anything goes relativism” is BS and extremely transparent. Believe it or not, it is actually intellectually possible to being accepting of other worldviews but still be able to condemn some views as harmful to many people. But I suppose it is easier in internet discussions to just throw around talking points and argue false dichotomies and trot out the “if you are tolerant, then you can’t criticize intolerance” nonsense.
At the very least I can take comfort in the fact that the trajectory of human history is a very clear march towards acceptance of people and their differences and I’m happy to be a part of that progress rather than freaking out over two cartoon women holding hands. It is also amusing to see nearly every point being made about how destructive this is perfectly echoing how destructive interracial couples were supposed to be only a few decades ago.
Ken
December 31, 2014 @ 8:57 am
Kittens. Those foul creatures love slurping up the froth and tears of righteous indignation.
http://catfront.com/
D. D. Webb
December 31, 2014 @ 8:59 am
After seeing all the flap over this on the Internet in the last week or so, I’m starting to think I should watch this show.
Craig Laurance Gidney
December 31, 2014 @ 9:25 am
The problem with these “ideas” (as Laura Resnick pointed to upthread) is that they have consequences. Over 40% of homeless youth are LGBT. LGB Tyouth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.
Furthermore, I have been a victim of gay bashing and assault.
Wright’s idea’s are pure poison.
Cait
December 31, 2014 @ 9:54 am
I know it may bother other trans women, but I was kind of glad that the topic wasn’t raised in proximity to discussing Wright’s hatred and creepiness. Given his phallic obsession and the way he seems to objectify lesbians as simply a stepping stone to gay dick (which he really wants to get to quickly) it would be really hard not to do in a sketchy way. I guess footnoting it would at least avoid the juxtaposition?
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 9:54 am
Oh, I’m sorry. So the death of one mentally ill teenager means something but the rape and murder of a different teenager and the rape of yet another means nothing. I guess it’s all about what contributes to that all important narrative, right? Truth? Who cares about that? We got us a narrative to build.
Dave crowell
December 31, 2014 @ 10:01 am
This is comedy gold. I would expect nothing less from jim Hines. After reading this and the comments my respect for Jim has increased.
There was no need to lampoon John C Wright. He did it to himself. If your values and world view are so threatened by an animated tv show maybe, just maybe, the foundations are not as firm and secure as you like to pretend to yourself they are?
Now I need to track down Legend of Korra and watch it. I found Avatar to have some of the best writing on television.
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 10:03 am
Okay, here goes. Let’s see if this sounds like a fair summary of your ideas on the subject of homosexual “marriage”. (Yes, I’m aware that there are other nuances, but I’m going for broad strokes here. A summary, not a detailed explication.)
Homosexuality is inborn and immutable. Because of this, it is unfair to treat them any differently than anyone else. Thus they should be able to marry the object of their sexual affections just like anyone else. Also, men and women are basically the same thing. Gender as we understand it is a social construct, not reflective of an external reality. Thus, two men or two women are essentially the same thing as a man and a woman. Therefore, the only reason to restrict marriage to male-female couples is bigotry.
Did I get it right? Is that a fair summary of your beliefs on the topic?
If so, your turn. Prove to me you’re more open-minded than me and give me a summary of my own thoughts on the topic.
Jim C. Hines
December 31, 2014 @ 10:03 am
Oh, yes. It’s always fun watching people learn what the older fairy tales were like. Red-hot iron shoes, thorns in the eyes, slicing off bits of feet…
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 10:06 am
I don’t know. I’m told the suicide of one mentally ill woman who is part of a group that tends to commit suicide a lot is somehow a horrible critique of society in general. I just pointed out a couple of other ugly incidents and ask if they have any meaning.
Does it mean anything, by the way, that one of the biggest heroes of the LGBTSTFU cause is a serial pederast? That his proclivity for drug-addicted teenage boys is known and he still has a state holiday in California?
Jim C. Hines
December 31, 2014 @ 10:06 am
Zaklog – This is a tired old tactic, and I have very little patience for it. “Oh, you’re talking about X. I’ll bring up Y, and if you don’t all stop talking about X, it proves you don’t care about Y and are horrible people, etc. and so on.”
Unoriginal and weak. I give it a D+.
Further trolling will be fed to the goblins.
Jim C. Hines
December 31, 2014 @ 10:11 am
“You are so craven in your bigotry, that you do not even do me the courtesy of addressing me directly, nor linking to the column with which you took exception…”
John,
Welcome to the internet! If you’ll look at the very first sentence in my post, you’ll find underlined text of a different color. Clicking on that text will bring a reader to your column. In internet terms, this is what’s known as a “link.”
Perhaps what you’re trying to complain about is that I used “Do Not Link” as a proxy when I linked to your post, because I didn’t feel like boosting your hateful screed’s search ratings? I’m sure there are people who could help you understand how these things work if you’re still confused.
Ken
December 31, 2014 @ 10:11 am
I’m sorry, I can’t get past whether:
A) “transgender” = “mentally ill” (which is awfully archaic and is a massive disservice to both transgender and the actually mentally ill) or
B) “anyone who commits suicide” = “mentally ill” (which makes it a lot easier to wash your hands of any culpability).
Ken
December 31, 2014 @ 10:20 am
Actually, no, Zaklog, you did not get it right at all. You are showing a pretty profound misunderstanding. of what “the other side” stands for.
I totally believe that might be how you see how we think, but it isn’t. It’s a caricature that gets echoed around so much that people like you think it is our actual view rather than doing some research with an actual open mind to see what we are really saying. At least what I think and others I have talked to.
If you are that far off in even knowing who you are arguing against, I don’t think a comment thread about a cartoon if going to be enough to educate you.
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 10:20 am
[“Blah, blah. ‘Free speech!’ More D-level trolling. Bored now.” -J]
Zaklog the Great
December 31, 2014 @ 10:24 am
[Looks like the goblins are having a troll feast for dinner. It’s a New Year’s Eve miracle!]
Ken
December 31, 2014 @ 10:49 am
My Google-fu is failing me, but I read an interesting article recently that dug into the pre-Grimm versions of these stories and found a significant amount of the nastiness in them was actually added by the Brothers Grimm.
This isn’t the original article, but touches on a similar point that the Brothers Grimm were pretty selective about which stories to include by comparing it to another book of German fairy tales published shortly after the Grimms that ibncludes more than just “terrible things happening to women and then brave men save (some of) them.”
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/04/fairy-tales
Throbbin Yobbin
December 31, 2014 @ 10:55 am
Iran freed herself from the jack-booted corporate tyranny of the Shah. Whatever deficiencies that Ahmadinejad has he is the authentic voice of the Iranian people. A People of Color terrorized and brutalized by corporate white supremacy. Iran is a true democracy where the people matter, not like capitalist America where only the 1% have any influence at all. How dare you judge them?
Throbbin Yobbin
December 31, 2014 @ 11:17 am
Iran is a true democracy with a compassionate health care system. Women have more rights in Iran than in the capitalist USA. They have the right to be cared for if they are sick. Sandra Fluke and those like her have all of their needs provided. Iran has gone from corporate oppression to democratic compassion.
It’s true that Ahmadinejad has said unacceptable things about the gay community. He is not an ideal fighter for social justice like Castro or Chavez. However,I think this will change with more education.
Throbbin Yobbin
December 31, 2014 @ 11:31 am
How do you know what you “heard” wasn’t just more corporate propaganda used to manufacture consent. Did what you “hear” stop you from looking too closely at other ways workers could organize their lives outside the paradigm of capitalist oppression?
Whatever its faults, the Soviet Union provided a beacon of hope for third world peoples crushed under the jack boots of corporate oppression and was brought down by the psychopathic warmonger Ronald Reagan who starved America’s children to build a nuclear arsenal with which he threatened to blow up the entire world if his demands weren’t met!
Celestine
December 31, 2014 @ 11:52 am
Dear Mr. Wright,
You, sir, are part of the problem. You are part of the reason young men and women attempt and succeed at killing themselves every day. You and your narrow-minded bigotry that would erase the existence of an entire group of people, call them less than human, convince them that they are monstrous and unworthy of life. Because of people like you, there is a suicide epidemic among LGBT people.
I know there is nothing I will ever say that will change you or your mind, and the hateful opinion that is your right to have.
But I do hope that one day you will wake up to the fact that the people whose very existence you hate so much are people, just like you, and that words like yours are literally, not figuratively, killing them. And I hope that on that day, you are able to turn all this energy you have been putting towards hate, into making the world a better place for everyone, not just a few.
–Celestine
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December 31, 2014 @ 12:03 pm
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Laura Resnick
December 31, 2014 @ 12:14 pm
Mr. Wright, calling for the extermination of ideas is an appalling position, not a righteous defense.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 12:16 pm
I look forward to your contempt-laden monologue against Thomas Jefferson, slave-owning serial rapist.
You do hold Mr. Jefferson in contempt, of course, right? And use him and the hundreds of thousands like him against all whites of the South, correct?
Or perhaps you don’t – after all, you are conflating abusers with abuseees, above, apparently unable to tell any difference between child molesters and a teenage girl driven to suicide by her parents’ enforcement of their religion.
Perhaps in Mr. Jefferson’s case, you blame his victims. I suspect we’ll find out shortly. How sad.
Vixy
December 31, 2014 @ 12:17 pm
I… what? Is there a version where the wolf *doesn’t* eat Granny?
Throbbin Yobbin
December 31, 2014 @ 12:22 pm
North Korea is free of ‘gaiety’ in the literal meaning of that word because she must be on high alert at all times from the American corporate ogre and its thrall to the South.
North Korea has been starved by sanctions, yet she will not yield to the tyranny of McDonalds, Coca-Cola, and Wal-Mart. Although North Korea has been squeezed to the brink, she remains proud and free!
Laura Resnick
December 31, 2014 @ 12:25 pm
I agree with your statement right up to where you used the phrase “Wright’s ideas.” Wright expresses fears, not ideas.
Montague (C. M. Boyd)
December 31, 2014 @ 12:28 pm
“we will do all we can to smash the filthy phallic idol of sodomy you bow and serve and worship.”
I think you deserve some prize for outstanding work in not reading or comprehending what other people say. The context of that phrase is an accusation that the makers of LoK obey PC tenets of sexual ideology, not that lesbians are all about penises. Have you even read the original article?
http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/12/the-perversion-of-a-legend/
Angela Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 12:28 pm
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this.
Science fiction is the very literature of ideas. None of us, writers or readers, should be calling for their extermination. Even the ones we might personally happen to find reprehensible.
Advocating the extermination of ideas all too often leads to advocating the extermination of the people who have them.
Jim C. Hines
December 31, 2014 @ 1:07 pm
Dude, just stop. This is getting painful to watch.
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December 31, 2014 @ 1:21 pm
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Katharine Kerr
December 31, 2014 @ 1:37 pm
Don’t forget Hoover Tower at Stanford, where I went to school. Not only was it a PIS or however that goes, but there was a limit on the number of women students! Aiiee! suspicious, yes?
LOL! Jim, I love your blog.
Lisa
December 31, 2014 @ 1:56 pm
Yes, Tylendel dies and Vanyel eventually finds a new love…and then *Vanyel* ends up dead. Sure, they eventually get to end up ghosts together, but only after Stefan spends sixty or so years without Vanyel. She manages to do it twice in a single trilogy!
Eric Honaker
December 31, 2014 @ 2:11 pm
Every time I see his name, I briefly think of John C. Reilly, who is an actor.
Lee
December 31, 2014 @ 2:31 pm
I want to see an action movie where the female lead talks about going home to her wife, and no one thinks that’s strange.
Well, things like that are starting to happen in real life. Here in Houston, our mayor can talk about going home to her wife at the end of the day, and while I won’t say that no one thinks it’s strange, also no one kicks up the sort of screaming tantrum that Wright does.
A lot of people argue that popular media shapes society. I think that’s sort of backwards; IME, popular media frequently lags behind society for anywhere from 5 to 20 years. There are occasional exceptions (Star Trek), but in general something that’s too far ahead of where popular perception is on a particular issue won’t be popular. And in this instance, I think that society has finally moved far enough ahead on this point that popular media is now starting to catch up, to reflect that.
This is particularly true where young people are concerned. Study after study shows that today’s under-30 contingent are (as a whole) much less intolerant of same-sex relationships than their parents; they don’t see it as any big deal, and this is one of the reasons why churches that remain intolerant are losing their youth. Which probably goes a long way toward explaining Wright’s frothing at the mouth; the indoctrination he wants to force on his children (and everyone else’s) is failing and being seen to fail.
Lee
December 31, 2014 @ 3:09 pm
Sadly, until just 2 years ago, transgenderism was considered to be a mental illness — “Gender Identity Disorder”. In the most recent edition of the DSM, it’s been renamed “Gender Dysphoria”, which is descriptive rather than prescriptive.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2012/07/23/dsm-replaces-gender-identity-disorder-gender-dysphoria
Some people, of course, have missed the bus about the change.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 3:18 pm
Comedy is just completely lost on you, isn’t it?
Look, go find some early episodes of The Three Stooges, and start there; you should be able to keep up with the physical humour right away, but keep watching, there’s more going on. When you understand the intent of the phrase, “euripides trousers? You menda these trousers,” we can try to move on to something a little more advanced.
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 3:20 pm
Pro tip: If you have to tell people you’re winning? Perhaps it is not obvious that you are winning.
Conni
December 31, 2014 @ 3:23 pm
Everyone I know calls it the Butt Peach.
Conni
December 31, 2014 @ 3:39 pm
Ugh, Wright, no, neither of them is “homosexual.” They’re both bisexual, you bigoted nightmare.
evilrooster
December 31, 2014 @ 4:13 pm
I’m told the suicide of one mentally ill woman who is part of a group that tends to commit suicide a lot is somehow a horrible critique of society in general.
The fact that any group of people so at risk of suicide struggles on unaided is, in point of fact, a horrible critique of society in general.
Even if there were not specific, identifiable reasons that members of the transgendered community kill themselves in substantial numbers (and there are, and they’re exactly the things that this poor teenager was subjected to), if we nevertheless had a population that was so suicide-prone and we weren’t working to address that, we’d be failing at our duty to our fellow people (or our brothers and sisters in Christ, if you go that road).
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December 31, 2014 @ 4:26 pm
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Misty Massey
December 31, 2014 @ 4:54 pm
Conni, I live one county over, and you’re right – everyone around here calls it the Butt. 🙂
HelenS
December 31, 2014 @ 5:04 pm
Well, if you will call something Ball State University…
HelenS
December 31, 2014 @ 5:08 pm
“Euripedes?”
“Yes. Eumenides?”
Ariel
December 31, 2014 @ 5:18 pm
There’s another big difference: Wright’s books, at least his early ones, seem to be coming from such a different mind than his rants that I know I’m not the only person to be a bit worried that he’s actually sick. As someone who is a rather extreme liberal and who still routinely recommends Wright’s post-singularity fiction as an interesting exploration of identity, I do give people a warning about his current views so they can avoid his blog or get books from libraries instead of stores, but I don’t see any sign of his current morality in his writing. Many of Card’s books are steeped in his religious viewpoint, though.
HelenS
December 31, 2014 @ 5:26 pm
Mr. Wright: if it is not treacherous, sly, or underhanded for YOU to say what you believe in YOUR stories, why is it so for anyone else to say what THEY believe in THEIR stories? In any case, it is not really a question of belief. Lesbian relationships exist, and as such may be portrayed in stories. So may the tolerance of same. You don’t have to like it, but there is nothing “treacherous” or “sly” about writing from the very common viewpoint that there is nothing wrong with same-sex relationships.
Nenya
December 31, 2014 @ 5:27 pm
What.
Honey, I’m a Canadian socialist. I’m no fucking fan of Reagan.
That doesn’t mean the USSR, and Russia today, weren’t and aren’t extremely homophobic.
Both things can be true at the same time.
(And I’m sure you don’t care that I’ve also personally met survivors of the Siberian gulags. Hair-raising stories as bad as those of survivors of the US torture machine.)
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 5:42 pm
Also, the last I checked (and Jim is too modest to say this), Mr. Hines is a highly-regarded Hugo winner.
So much for appeal to authority or qualifications or whatever that was.
HelenS
December 31, 2014 @ 5:46 pm
Bow? Serve? Worship? Tenets of sexual ideology? No, sorry. I just have a different opinion about how people work than you folks do. I don’t see why that should require “worshiping” anything.
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 5:53 pm
My goodness, yes. My high school boyfriend and I were friends and pals for 3 years before we ever dated. And yet somehow we went from “kids who met in a randomly assigned class” to “hanging out with the gang” to “extremely cute prom couple”.
HelenS
December 31, 2014 @ 5:56 pm
According to http://www.calhr.ca.gov/employees/pages/state-holidays.aspx , there are two state holidays in California named after men (none after women). The two men in question are Martin Luther King, Jr., and Cesar Chavez. Both have been dead for some time, and neither fits Zaklog’s description. Does anyone know who he was talking about?
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 5:59 pm
The cognitive dissonance alone must be rough on him.
I think the other difference is that Card was always Mormon, so we always knew what he’d been raised with. It wasn’t a conversion with all the over-bearing holier than thou-ness you get from converts (to any cause). “Moreso” as opposed to “Where’d THIS come from?”
Jim C. Hines
December 31, 2014 @ 6:03 pm
Zaklog’s trolling has gotten him tossed into the goblins’ moderation dungeon, but if he responds to this one, I’ll let that one through.
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 6:07 pm
I’ve never seen one. I was in a feminist production where Granny and Red killed the wolf without need of a man, but the wolf had already eaten Granny, she’d just partly gotten out herself. Wise crone and all that. Plus wolf was killed with frying pans and other household utensils, as symbols of women’s power.
On ice skates.
(I’m not making this up. It was the 70’s. Point being, Granny still got et, even in Women’s Lib Fairy Tales on Ice!)
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 6:10 pm
I wanna get adopted by the Korra’ti female girly spousalship. I love noodles. I promise not to bring any phallic idols, unless you wanna laugh at them or something.
HelenS
December 31, 2014 @ 6:25 pm
In Perrault’s version, the wolf eats first the grandmother, then the child, and then THAT IS THE END. In the Grimm version, they are rescued by the woodcutter, who cuts open the wolf’s belly and lets them out alive. So the Grimm version in this case is in fact the one that’s less grim. I can’t remember if there’s a version where the grandmother isn’t eaten, but there are several where RRH isn’t eaten, and escapes some other way.
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 6:29 pm
I haven’t seen this here cartoon (though I may have to now), but if I’m going by Wright’s screed, there’s full-on 69 scissoring lesbian orgy as the last scene? That WOULD be a little much for a children’s cartoon.
To the YouTube clip!
Oh, wait, they hold hands? And go on vacation together?
Shoot, I used to do that with my MOM. And my BFFs.
Never mind.
Sally
December 31, 2014 @ 6:47 pm
^^^ Oooh, if we’re appealing to authority and popularity in the field, I’m gonna point to the comment I’m replying to. THE Katharine Kerr, who knows from writing, magic, reincarnation, and a long career.
Also, funny comment, Ms. K. I hope things are as well as possible in your household.
Angela Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 6:55 pm
Welcome to our noodly sorority, friend! Celebrate Korrasamimas by eating delicious Water Tribe noodles!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Snake101/Avatar/Korra/Book%20One/Chapter%20Five/s01e05grab08480.jpg
(Note: If Water Tribe noodles are not available, your nearest fine ramen restaurant is also ENTIRELY acceptable.)
Dara Korra'ti
December 31, 2014 @ 7:06 pm
And if you need a rec in Seattle, we have now. I haven’t had noodles this good since leaving Yokohama.
Montague (C. M. Boyd)
December 31, 2014 @ 7:21 pm
It was either that you are an idiot, or that you were speaking facetiously. Considering the circumstances, I flipped a coin.
However, it was my intention to ignore humor for the sake of clarity. In hindsight, a recipe for encountering trolls.
(I will now make a joke to distract you from noticing anything that looks like an argument, lest anything useful be done)
-I walked into an internet debate on a SJW blog-
(That’s it! That’s the joke!)