Rape, Abuse, and Marion Zimmer Bradley
My very first rejection letter was from Marion Zimmer Bradley. It was both harsh and helpful. So I was thrilled when, years later, I made one of my first professional sales to Marion Zimmer Bradley’s Fantasy Magazine. I was even happier when I sold a story to her anthology Sword & Sorceress XXI.
I’m proud of those stories. I believe the Sword & Sorceress series was important, and I’m grateful to Bradley for creating it. I believe her magazine helped a lot of new writers, and her books helped countless readers. All of which makes the revelations about Marion Zimmer Bradley protecting a known child rapist and molesting her own daughter and others even more tragic.
Here are some of the relevant links.
- Marion Zimmer Bradley’s testimony in defense of her husband, Walter Breen, a convicted pedophile.
- A blog post from Deirdre Saoirse Moen, in which Moira Greyland, daughter of Marion Zimmer Bradley and Walter Breen, states that Bradley molested her starting when she was three years old and continuing until Greyland was twelve and able to walk away. Greyland also describes Breen as “a serial rapist with many, many victims,” but says Marion “was far, far worse.”
- The “Breendoggle” Wiki. Much of fandom seemed to know about the allegations against Breen. The documentation includes eyewitness accounts of Breen molesting children and discussion that even if Breen was indeed an active pedophile, that doesn’t mean he should be expelled from fandom.
- Silence is Complicity. Natalie Luhrs talks about Breen, MZB, and the damage done by prioritizing silence over safety, complicity over acting to protect the vulnerable members of our community.
- On Doing a Thing I Needed to Do. Janni Lee Simner talks about having written for some of MZB’s projects, and her choice to donate her income from those sales to RAINN.
There’s more out there, including people defending MZB, as well as people insisting we must “separate the art from the artist” and not let MZB’s “alleged” crimes detract from the good she’s done. And there’s the argument that since MZB died fifteen years ago, there’s no point to bringing up all of this ugliness and smearing the name of a celebrated author.
I disagree.
To begin with, while Bradley and Breen are both gone from this world, their victims survive. The damage they inflicted lives on. Are you going to tell victims of rape/abuse that nobody’s allowed to acknowledge what was done to them? That the need to protect the reputation of the dead is more important than allowing victims their voice? To hell with that.
Second, as Luhrs and others have pointed out, many of the same behaviors that allowed this abuse to continue for so long are still present in fandom and elsewhere today. We excuse sexual harassment as social awkwardness. We ignore ongoing harassment and assault for years or decades because someone happens to be a big name author or editor. Half of fandom shirks from the mere thought of excluding known predators, because for some, sexual harassment and assault are lesser crimes than shunning a predator from a convention.
I’m not going to say that people should or shouldn’t throw all of MZB’s books away. There are authors whose careers might not have happened without MZB’s help, and our genre is better for many of them. But it’s also important to acknowledge that predators exist. They may be in positions of power and influence. Sometimes, they’re people who have done good work for a community. They often have very smooth, well-practiced tactics for defending or excusing their actions.
When we ignore ongoing harassment and abuse, when we belittle efforts to create harassment policies, when we respond to people speaking out about their own abuse and harassment by accusing them of starting “lynch mobs” and “witch hunts,” we’re teaching predators that fandom is a safe hunting ground. We’re teaching them that they will be protected, and their victims will be sacrificed so we can cling to an illusion of inclusiveness.
We need to work on teaching a different lesson.
Laura Resnick
June 29, 2014 @ 4:31 pm
I would think that most people who considered MZB a mentor didn’t have the faintest idea and will be shocked by these revelations. For two key reasons.
One is that child abuse is something that a person, family, or household hides from others. If you visit a home for dinner or a weekend now and then, you’ll notice if your hosts are slobs or neat-freaks. If you visit often enough, you might even notice if there’s a drinking problem (though not necessarily; I knew someone who died young of his alcoholism, so it was severe, yet he was able to hide it successfully from anyone who wasn’t actually living full-time with him). But if they’re abusing their children, that’s going to be deeply hidden during your visits. The children will also have been schooled to hide it. Unless you’ve got specialized training in recognizing the signs of a child suffering that trauma and trying to hide it, you’re not going to have the faintest idea what’s going on in this household you’ve visited a number of times.
Second, lots of people who considered MZB a mentor probably didn’t know her well personally and seldom (quite possibly never) visited her home or met her family. Writing is a lifestyle of long-distance relationships. You often don’t meet your editors or your agent in person until after you’ve been working with them for a while, you seldom know them personally or well, and most of the writers you know, including a famous novelist and generous mentor like MZB, are people you “visit” by phone, letter/email, and at conventions and workshops. There are any number of writers I’ve considered friends for years (in some cases, very close friends with whom I have weekly or daily contact)…. whose homes, spouses, and kids I’ve encountered only once–or never.
I gather there were, at various times, multiple people living in MZB’s household, though I don’t know who they were (apart from Waters, who stated in her deposition that Moira, when a child, confided that she was being abused, and Waters did not contact the police or social services, nor take any steps to help or protect the child). Perhaps some of them were writers who considered MZB a mentor; in which case, people will be asking now what they knew.
But I think most people who feel professional gratitude to MZB, who considered her a mentor or advocate, writers to whom she was generous and from whom she acquired stories–I would think the majority of them never knew her well enough, even if they sometimes visited the house, to know about the dark secret that she (and everyone involved, including the victims) would have taken care to keep secret.
Laura Resnick
June 29, 2014 @ 5:13 pm
Galen was interviewed about this scandal by The Guardian a few days ago. His comments are careful and neutral:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/27/sff-community-marion-zimmer-bradley-daughter-accuses-abuse
Although he had a longtime business relationship with MZB, I would be surprised if he knew about most of this. Although its longevity suggests their business relationship was very cordial, it was nonetheless a long distance business relationship. So far, my impression of what people in MZB’s professional life knew or heard is that the author had married a total scumbag and finally divorced him… and not much more than that. Her literary agent would know a lot more about her business/professional life than most other people, of course, but I doubt he’d know much more about her personal life than her many colleagues knew. Also, fandom is not the community, hobby, or social group of most literary agents who handle sf/f, so it wouldn’t be surprising is he heard less rumor about his client’s marriage, family, or social life than people who were involved in fandom did (and it appears that a lot of people involved in fandom never heard anything, after all).
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For those who are saying “alleged abuse of her daughter” and saying that children/young women “make these things up” and are using false allegations of abuse as power trips: please read the true story of my acquaintance Caitlyn Young, who was abused and blamed for her own abuse by society, which didn’t want to have any blame land on her brother, a football star–it is a Kindle single (you can get a free sample that will give you the beginning of the story and you’ll get the idea.) This happened SO MUCH back in the day. Those who knew or suspected these events were told to mind their own business and/or watch their backs and shut up. I am dismayed that more people are not outraged at MZB for molesting her OWN daughter from the age of three and trying to drown her for telling! I always thought her writing was creepy, and now I know what that undertone was that I heard in it. I feel that a writer reveals a lot of himself or herself in any work of fiction. That would be one reason I am avoiding her work from now on. Creepy.
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Mark
July 3, 2014 @ 11:32 am
Very well said, Jim. You got it exactly right.
Fandom and other self-contained interest groups offer a lot to their members and the world, but this is the dark side. If people knew, even if what they knew was incomplete, they had an obligation to share it. They had an obligation to the victims, to potential victims at conventions and to fandom at large to protect it from these predators.
As for Zimmer Bradley herself, I just don’t understand how someone’s personal life could be so — not just divorced from, but a complete inversion of her public persona. Her relationship with Breen reminds me, in a way, of Simone de Beauvoir’s abusive relationship with Jean-Paul Sartre, but they were both consenting adults at least, not pedophile predators.
Just sad and ugly. My heart goes out to the victims, and to hell with Marion Zimmer Bradley’s corpus.
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emer
July 9, 2014 @ 8:05 pm
As a survivor of child sexual abuse, i find this devastating. During my teens & 20’s MZB’s books helped me escape, i found them such a comfort in the hardest times, only recently I reread the darkover series again & even though i am older now and my tastes have evolved, i so enjoyed them. Words are failing me. I have almost everything she published. I dont know if i can read anything by her again. I just dont know what to say. My heart & prayers go out to her children. I am reeling
Bryn Snowflake
July 10, 2014 @ 9:30 pm
I am tearing up my MZB books to compost them, a little sadly because they were very important to us in our teens and twenties, but also with some joy because it is a little bit of an outlet for my fury.
For anyone still cheerfully saying, “Oh, well, we don’t know the truth –” Here is something that MZB says herself, in writing about The Heritage of Hastur, the novel in which an older man tortures a teenage boy to the point of a nervous breakdown because said teenage boy won’t have sex with him:
“My message, of course, had not been intended to give aid and comfort to Gay Liberation; the message, if any, had simply been that no one can live and be healthy without self-knowledge and self-acceptance, whatever form one’s own differences may take. I am not a crusader for anything except the right of everyone to be what he must be, without being brutalized by the opinions of others. I regard Dyan Ardais, not as evil, but as unhappy, a man desperately at the mercy of his own misery and his own obsessions; and Dyan’s tragedy, I have always felt, was that he did not come to know Regis well until he had destroyed himself irrecovably in the younger man’s eyes.”
So yes, MZB thinks that you just have to accept your own pedophilia, and everyone can be whatever they want to be, and it’s not evil to torture people when they won’t have sex with you, it just means you’re very very unhappy. How much better if Dyan had managed to hook up with Regis (another teenage boy!) before Regis got upset about Dyan torturing his love interest!
I am going to go throw up now. Or hit something. Or both!
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Raven Oak
July 28, 2014 @ 8:40 pm
I wrote about this topic today (http://www.ravenoak.net/archives/1334) and agree that you cannot separate an artist from their works, even posthumously when it involves silencing victims. As a former fan and writer myself, it’s part of my job to give voice to those who cannot speak–as it should be for all of humanity.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. This topic needs more exposure.
Jim C. Hines
July 30, 2014 @ 5:18 pm
Thanks, Raven. That was a good post. And you’re right – this stuff is painful and difficult, but also important to talk about.
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Ceallaigh
July 31, 2014 @ 7:25 pm
Deirdre, I blogged about this issue somewhat tangentially as part of a discussion about cultures of the imagination in the Pagan community, here: http://witchesandpagans.com/pagan-culture-blogs/gael-ur/culture-of-the-imagination-part-3.html
I didn’t know if you’d be interested, but I thought I’d point you to it, just in case.
All the best,
C.
Deirdre Saoirse Moen
July 31, 2014 @ 7:29 pm
Thank you for that. I saw it in my referer logs, so I’d already read it. I’ve just been traveling the last couple of days, so haven’t followed up on everything yet.
strixnebulosa1
August 5, 2014 @ 8:34 pm
The main beneficiary of the Bradley estate is Elizabeth Waters, who knew about the abuse and covered it up to protect her lover (admitted, in the depositions) MZB. Personally, I would rather never buy a book again than support her, but certainly I will never buy a book that puts money in the pocket of a child-rape enabler. Moira first told her about the abuse when she was three. Years. Old. Waters knew about it for that long. And when a child she knew went to her for help, she spoke to the people the child was asking for help AGAINST about the matter? There is no doubt; nobody is that stupid. This was enabling.
EmiliaC
August 7, 2014 @ 12:20 pm
I’m totally upset and I extend all my heart to Moira, Mark and the other victims.
I wholeheartedly praise Moira’s courage and admire her strength. I cannot even start to fathom the pain she’s been through and it is a wonder she is here to testimony her strength and beauty in the face of all who were silent and of all who still would deny.
I believe her and will support the victims anyway I can.
And I’ll start by explaining why I won’t read anymore by MZB.
On this I’m in a very peculiar position, because I actually decided to try and understand if it was really possible to separate author and art here.
First of all let me say that till a few days ago I didn’t know anything about MZB, apart that she was a must-read for any fantasy reader.
Just 4 days ago, I picked up “The Fall of Atlantis” and I started to read it with no knowledge of MZB’s life, works and the monster she was…
Then, after reading say 20% of the book, I became curious about her background. This was triggered by the fact that I vaguely remembered she was seen as a feminist, but since the start of the book, it struck me for its poor depiction of women.
All of them appear to be impossibly beautiful and oh-so-sensitive and apparently manipulable. Everything about them revolves around fertility and pregnancy, every sacred rite that involves them entails nudity.
It’s all about women and reproduction, women and restrictive laws about their sexual behavior, women and sacred sexual rites, women and the blood and the mistery of pregnancy.
I always feel disturbed when women are treated like this. Being a woman is not about pregnancy and to be considered “sacred” because of maternity is a really really poor thing in exchange of being only secondarily considered as a person.
In the book, also, right from the start there is this tension between the mature Riveda that tries to seduce the adolescent Deoris.
To be honest reading the book I was already perceiving a bad vibe.
And that’s why I searched for MZB’s background… and discovered the unimaginable horror behind it.
Then what? Then I went on reading because I was overwhelmed and stunned by this discovery and I wanted to see if my early sensations about the book were going to change or be affected someway. In other words I wanted to understand if it was possibile to read the book in spite of its author, even though I already had sensed something in it that made me uneasy.
So I went on reading… (contains spoilers necessary to explain my perspective).
In time Riveda comes to completely control Deoris’ mind, he couples with her, he uses her in a dark rite to impregnate her.
Another young girl, Demira, is raped by her father in order to get her pregnant of “a superior being”. More than that, Riveda clearly states that the girl was programmed and procreated in virtue of the future plan to rape her, committing incest to get her pregnant.
The description and behavior of the two sisters that should be the focus of the narration (Deoris-Domaris), appear to me as the portraying of suffering puppets at the mercy of external wills. They traverse their own sorrows without understanding each other, divided by the very forces that control their programming. There’s something subtly wrong in these portraits, like there’s self-indulgence in describing how these tender, beautiful, innocent hearts are chained to other’s will. It goes like “she is so young and beautiful, she suffers and yet she is so beautiful… and then she bends to the overpowering will”. This is so insisted that smells… wrong.
I should be clear that I’ve not yet finished the book at this point, but I cannot help but think that Riveda is the author’s channel for her abominable obsessions, no matter how much consolatory the ending will turn to be.
It seems to reveal all the obsession to control the young and the innocent ones, to abuse them, to play on their own weaknesses and lack of experience. To derive joy from having control over them, from owning “things of beauty”, young and malleable, from inflicting them sufferings.
I can feel in this book the cruelty that Moira describes in her mother so much that it is creepy.
For example I totally cringed reading the dialog in which Riveda tells that Demira was procreated and raised only in virtue of the future plan to rape her – his own daughter – and get her pregnant.
I could not help but think… a cruel woman meets an acknowledged pedophile, marries him and has children with him.
But why in all the world should a woman desire to have children with an aknowledged child abuser? It could have been understandable only if she was truly convinced of his innocence or inner change.
Then you discover she knew so well otherwise, and took active part in those abominable crimes and they even abused their own children (along with others), so in retrospective how can you doubt it was planned right from the start?
How can you doubt Riveda is voicing something too disgustingly close to MZB’s real deeds or thoughts?
So here you can see how can be impossible to separate author from art.
I felt there was something that made me uneasy reading this book and that’s what in the first place made me wonder about the author’s background, but after I knew everything turned for the worst.
The things that maybe I would have just dismissed as ugly and unpleasant, became an unbearable horror, like looking through a fancy disguising veil into the revolting fantasies of a skewed mind.
Probably it is a matter of content, and I’ve been unlucky reading “The fall of Atlantis” of all the books that MZB wrote, but here it is for you: reading this book after knowing about her monstrosities was a sorry, sorry experience to me.
hermitme
August 9, 2014 @ 6:31 pm
And this is why I will now look up books from you and not be so enthralled by authors just because they are big names. Because yes, the silent victims will be the ones to continue suffering while the perps with the big names keep skating free, and that’s just wrong.
Brad
August 11, 2014 @ 4:18 pm
Jim,
I read your article and I found your avoidance to be typical of the problem. Samuel Delany was a supporter of NAMBLA, whom I am ardently opposed. But that does not mean his writing which has won numerous Nebulas and Hugos for and was recently given a SWFA lifetime award by your friend Scalzi should be tossed out. Yes I can take a stand and throw out his stuff and MZB and even Hitler’s Mien Kaumpf. But that does not change that these writings can shed insight into the human soul and even the societies of human history. If you can not separate the work that these people have created then yes, throw their writings away. But you will be the lesser person for tossing them aside. I would not deny Zelazny his awards, but I think Scalzi went to far when he made him an example for SWFA to admire (Grand Master). I think personal actions are what should have excluded him and should excluded MZB from ever being considered as a Grand Master. And anyone who tries to take my copy of the Mists of Avalon, don’t even think it.
Jim C. Hines
August 11, 2014 @ 6:22 pm
It’s weird how a certain subset of commenters hear about a white author who molested multiple children and covered up the ongoing abuse committed by her husband, and immediately want to turn the conversation to the condemnation of a black author who said some troubling things in an interview twenty years ago.
I get that it’s probably more about a certain troll trying to score points than it is about racism, but still…
Beyond that, do what you want with your copy of Mists of Avalon. If you read the article, as you claim to have done, you know I’m not telling people one way or the other what they should do.
Deirdre Saoirse Moen
August 11, 2014 @ 6:43 pm
There’s a definite feeling on the part of the right that we don’t condemn liberals who do bad things. So I tend to see it more as a “do we really have principles” rather than racism per se. It’s just hard to tell in this particular case.
I’ve often wondered if people would have been so willing to believe Moira were MZB still alive, even if MZB’s testimony had been along the lines of her deposition.
Since apparently others have missed the news, I did blog about a later conversation.
http://deirdre.net/the-delany-nambla-conversation/
The only reason, so far as I know, that it’s been so missed is that it was a dialogue between Delany and Will Shetterly. Which is, imho, unfortunate, and tends to reinforce the perception that liberals aren’t looking at the flaws in their heroes.
The tl;dr summary, from my perspective: Delany makes some good points (as does Shetterly), Delany has some problematic viewpoints, and I would not want him to be alone with any minor children in my care (even though there is no evidence that he’s done anything wrong as an adult with anyone who is a minor). I’m sorry, a six-year-old can’t consent.
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Richard Rosichan
September 11, 2014 @ 10:22 pm
I began corresponding with Walter Breen when I was 12 and h was 22. That was in 1953. The correspondence began with him writing to me about an article I sent to the Numismatist. I first met him two years later, and during the 19578-1959 period, when I was attending a boarding school about 60 miles from NYC, I frequently visited his apartment on E. 72 St. in NY. Sometimes he was there, sometimes not, but he provided me with a key. The place was always littered, and I mean littered, with rare coins that had been sent to him for examination. On one visit, I saw the first-ever-found 1943 copper cent, in a special plastic holder, which had turned up in a kid’s school lunchroom change in Mass. Another time I and his friend Robert Bashlow amused ourselves there playing catch with genuine $50 gold-rush-era “slugs.”
Walter may have been a pedophile, but he never, and I mean never made any kind of advance to me.
I was not close t Marion Z. Bradley but I did stay once for 4 days at their Berkeley house in 1979. I remember that she used to get up very early in the morning so as to do her writing undisturbed.
Deirdre Saoirse Moen
September 15, 2014 @ 7:28 pm
The URL says it all. Mark Greyland could use your help if you have any resources of the kinds he needs. I’m traveling (on a ship near Spain), so I’m far from where he is, but there will be other locals reading the post and comments.
http://deirdre.net/mark-greyland-needs-your-help/