Pose-off with John Scalzi
ETA: While the overall response to the fundraiser and pics continues to be exponentially awesome, I’ve also seen a few areas where response has begun to shift from, “I say, those poses seem remarkably impractical, and how exactly does one do that without dislocating one’s ankle?” to “Hey, guys dressing or posing like girls are both ugly and hilarious!” Which misses the point so badly it’s not even funny. Please see this follow-up post for my thoughts on the context of these poses, the hotness of John Scalzi, and my apology for not better framing and presenting this post in the first place.
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When I started the Aicardi Syndrome Fundraiser, I recruited bestselling author and ukulele prodigy John Scalzi to be a bonus goal when we hit the $1000 mark.
We raised that much on the first day. Which meant it was time to see once and for all (at least until the next round) who was the true cover-posing master!
I issued the challenge, offering him the choice of three book covers to imitate. With the help of his readers, he selected The Taste of Night [Amazon | B&N | Mysterious Galaxy], by Vicki Pettersson.
This was the big one. After warming up, I took a break to walk off the pains of the previous poses, and to mentally prepare myself. I meditated for three days and six nights. I purified my body with a diet of crushed ice, unbuttered toast, and green Skittles. I studied one of our cat to learn the true secret of flexibility. Unfortunately, all I learned was the secret of well-timed cat farts.
But my training period was over. I put the Rocky soundtrack on the stereo, changed clothes, and began Operation Sexy Leg.
My wife took eight photos, helping me to adjust my stance each time, then giving me a chance to fall down between takes. But I think it was worth it!
Dear Internet: I present to you my version of The Taste of Night!
I’d like to thank my daughter for letting me borrow her bracelet, and my wife for the shoes and for letting me sacrifice one of her disposable razors.
But John Scalzi wanted to win this thing as much as I did. I don’t know what master he trained with, but whoever that wise and sadistic sensei might be, they turned Mister Scalzi into a posing opponent to be feared. John went all out in his own, special way.
Over on Twitter, John offered his thoughts on the process, saying, “AAAARRRGH MY HIP!”
I’d like to thank everyone for their donations and generosity so far, and John in particular for his willingness to play along. Please remember that the fundraiser runs through the end of the month, and the money raised supports both research into Aicardi Syndrome and the biannual conference which helps to unite these families, connecting them to a much-needed network of support.
And remember, there are more goals to come, including the $5000 group pose with me, Scalzi, Stross, Rothfuss, and Kowal! You know you want to see this, and we’re getting so close!
But first, it’s time to make your voice heard! (I’m crossing my fingers that the poll widget works!)
Ron Mitchell
December 11, 2012 @ 9:38 am
I had to vote for Scalzi Jim. Not that your pose isn’t wonderful as well, but his will haunt my dreams. i may not ever be able to unsee it.
Sigrid Ellis
December 11, 2012 @ 9:41 am
Dear sirs, this is a delight! My household examined both your efforts, and agree that Hines wins this round of the pose-off. Scalzi’s enthusiasm and effort are good, but Hines has pointed all of his limbs in the same directions as the woman on the cover.
I don’t know *HOW*, but he did it.
Josh
December 11, 2012 @ 9:46 am
I voted for Scalzi. Not out of joy, but the other thing.
Terry
December 11, 2012 @ 9:47 am
I agree with Sigrid. Scalzi’s pose is a thing unique unto itself. I’m thinking about washing my eyes out with soap. Bur strictly on accuracy of pose-replication, Hines wins it.
I gotta love the blonde wig, though. And the Little Black Dress.
Kirby Crow
December 11, 2012 @ 9:48 am
Scalzi went the extra mile with the wig.
Jess
December 11, 2012 @ 9:48 am
Such a hard choice- I am impressed at John’s dedication and inclusion of a wig. I feel his left leg placement is more accurate, but he didn’t get the head tilt quite right. Jim doesn’t quite have the left foot at the exact angle, but I swear it looks like he shaved his leg(s) for the occasion. Also his arm placements are just about spot on and head tilt not quite there, but SO close. I’m going Jim for pose accuracy, but serious style points to John for wig.
PJ
December 11, 2012 @ 9:48 am
Though I’ll never be able to un-see Scalzi in that blond wig, I’m handing my vote this round to Jim. Scalzi just didn’t get the pose quite right, and it’s all about the pose…
Redski
December 11, 2012 @ 9:49 am
I cry foul: home advantage will surely come into play. Pose-off should have had a neutral venue!
Elizabeth A. Mancz
December 11, 2012 @ 9:50 am
I voted for Scalzi — He wore a wig and dress! Sorry, Jim. Your pose was also great.
Madeline Ashby
December 11, 2012 @ 9:50 am
Jim appears to have shaved his legs for this. He wins.
kjdawson80
December 11, 2012 @ 9:52 am
Voting for Jim, due to pose accuracy, but damn, Scalzi is rocking that wig!
Phiala
December 11, 2012 @ 9:52 am
Normally Scalzi would get the style points for the wig, but Jim *shaved*.
Jim also got his legs arranged correctly, for a very painful-looking definition of correctly.
Winner: Jim Hines
steve Davidson
December 11, 2012 @ 9:52 am
Sorry John, I voted for Jim. Looks like he shaved his legs and having done that once many years before (also for costumery), my sympathies lie with him.
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 9:52 am
Yes. Yes I did.
My daughter’s response to seeing her Daddy’s bald, blindingly white left leg was, and I quote, “EWWWWWWW!”
trader
December 11, 2012 @ 9:52 am
Oh, yeah, I’m going with the shaved legs… anyone can wear a wig, but it takes a man to shave his legs.
Stephanie S.
December 11, 2012 @ 9:53 am
I had to go with Scalzi too. There was just something about the wig and the look in his eyes. It was almost as if he enjoyed posing. Good luck on the fundraising.
steve Davidson
December 11, 2012 @ 9:53 am
I am wondering though: it looks like both of you easily came up with not just the dress and the heels but also the crossbow….
Eric A. Meyer
December 11, 2012 @ 9:53 am
I agree with previous commenters: Hines wins (by a sizable margin, actually) on pose accuracy—BOTH legs are angled correctly, and the head and upper body are properly oriented. Scalzi gets ten points for style, though.
G
December 11, 2012 @ 9:56 am
ALRIGHT! ALRIGHT! THE LOTION IS IN THE BASKET ALREADY, GEEZ
Annalee
December 11, 2012 @ 9:56 am
This round to you, Jim, for pose accuracy. But good lord, Scalzi’s shot. He’s right. I’ll never unsee that.
Lisa L
December 11, 2012 @ 10:03 am
Shaving! That’s dedication. A wig can be removed, but it takes time for hair to grow back, not to mention the itchy-ness. Plus there’s pose accuracy.
I vote for Jim.
(I do agree it will be difficult to un-see John’s wig and expression.)
Gramina
December 11, 2012 @ 10:03 am
Scalzi got the ankle tilt more precisely, but Hines’ head is closer to the original angle, and he has the sort of rounded-shoulder thing going on with the crossbow-holding arm, which looks like it would be unbalancing and possibly dangerous in a hyperextension sort of way. Also, should I be worried that it looks like they both had crossbows lying around the house? Is this an author thing??
Steve
December 11, 2012 @ 10:03 am
Hines wins on technical merit. The shaved legs give him an edge in effort. Style points to Scalzi for the wig, but it’s not enough for him to carry the day.
Now, I go find some eye bleach…
John Kerr
December 11, 2012 @ 10:04 am
The original is aiming right between my eyes, Jim you’re aiming at my chest, while Scalzi’s aiming at either my wallet or my left test… either way, I’m afraid Scalzi wins. Well played!
Teresa
December 11, 2012 @ 10:05 am
Gotta go with Jim, who tipped the scales by shaving his legs.
But both of you gentlemen rock!
Frankly
December 11, 2012 @ 10:05 am
I think JS has the various bends more accurate – Its not really fair though as that blond wig seals the deal
Boo
December 11, 2012 @ 10:07 am
Scalzi in a little black dress, heels, wig and crazy eyes…Can…Not…Unsee. That right there is nightmare fuel for at least a week (or until the next pose-off pic). However, Jim gets points for more accuracy of pose and for shaving. That’s the first thing I noticed, actually. Jim’s leg looks better shaved than the woman on the cover picture.
Zombie Joe
December 11, 2012 @ 10:10 am
With all due respect to Scalzi, Jim shaved for this pose. You’ve gotta reward the guy that dedicated to the challenge. Vote entered. 😉
Heather
December 11, 2012 @ 10:12 am
OMG, I’m still laughing.
Round goes to Jim I’m afraid. Shaving his legs shows complete and utter dedication as well as the days of studying the cat and dealing with cat farts. *giggles*
Both of you did a great job!
Saira Ali
December 11, 2012 @ 10:13 am
I think Jim’s pose is closer to the original. The huntress has her hip jutting out beyond her foot, shifting her center of balance far to the right. Jim’s got his hip directly over his foot (can’t blame him for that. I tried it just now and overbalanced before I got to the model’s pose), but Scalzi is taking it easy, keeping his center of mass, well, centered, between his feet. For shame. 🙂
Jess Haines
December 11, 2012 @ 10:13 am
Jim wins for accuracy, but Scalzi… man. Some things you can never unsee.
Nice job, guys! You’re both awesome, even if you scar my retinas.
<3,
-J
Jason Day
December 11, 2012 @ 10:20 am
I’m a big John Scalzi fan, but Jim won this round. The pose is dead-on, but more importantly, he captured the haunting facial expression of a Las Vegas call girl who polishes off evil while also polishing…well, you know…
Truth
December 11, 2012 @ 10:23 am
Mr. Scalzi’s was impressive, but the knee was turned out! I have to vote for you, Mr. Hines.
Elizabeth
December 11, 2012 @ 10:24 am
While I will never be able to unsee what I’ve just seen, I think I’m more impressed that both chaps were able to get their hands on such delightful looking crossbows.
The wig certainly does bring Mr. Scalzi’s A-game, but Mr. Hines has affected the dead-eyed-kill-me-now look of the source material. Sorry Mr. Scalzi, but you look like you’re enjoying this way too much.
Kirstine
December 11, 2012 @ 10:25 am
Both of these are terrific and horrific equally (though Jim has the most accurate pose), but I had to vote for Scalzi simply for his facial expression. Out of all this, those eyes are the one thing I can never unsee.
C.A. Young
December 11, 2012 @ 10:26 am
I voted Hines. Scalzi’s got style points here, but you nailed the pose, and your dedication to the cause deserves recognition.
Let us all honor the sacrifice your wife’s razor made for us all.
Sherwood Smith
December 11, 2012 @ 10:26 am
I can’t decide between you two–I am laughing too hard!
Dave Durant
December 11, 2012 @ 10:26 am
Before we can have a fair vote surely there should be an entry from @wilw (and possibly Joel Watson).
MelissaW
December 11, 2012 @ 10:26 am
Hahahaha. I can’t decide. Jim has the “hunch” down but John has the eyes. Style points to each (Jim for shaving, John for the wig).
I think I have to go with Jim due to pose accuracy but John gave a great effort.
tmso
December 11, 2012 @ 10:29 am
That was a hard choice. I agree that Mr. Hines captured the pose far better than Mr. Scalzi, but the look on Scalzi’s face made me laugh. It is unfair to make us choose, but I guess we have to. I voted for Jim because you went above and beyond to shave your legs.
Looking forward to more! 🙂
Jessi
December 11, 2012 @ 10:31 am
I had to vote for you, Jim. While Scalzi’s pose is, indeed, spectacular (and a bit scarring), I think you recreated the pose more accurately 🙂
Marniy Jones
December 11, 2012 @ 10:33 am
That you only shaved one leg wins my vote. That’s …uh…special dedication.
Karl
December 11, 2012 @ 10:36 am
I am a a Scalzi fan new to Jim Hines but I must admit Hines has the better pose. Scalzi unfortunately has a slight smirk. Experience I suppose.
Alex Jay Berman
December 11, 2012 @ 10:36 am
What interests me (… strangely, oh so very strangely …) is that both of you came up with strappy-ish-like shoes when the model is wearing some closed-toe pump-y-ish things. Did you feel that the Internet needed to see your toes? Or was this some subtle, even subliminal comment on how these poses and representations of women are akin to societal foot-binding?
(And just because I am eeeeeeevil, and because I can compartmentalize well enough to fuel others’ nightmare tanks without ooking myself out … how did you both secure the block-and-tackle, so as not to cause a wardrobe DYSfunction by accidentally popping an unwanted streaker by your David Nivens?)
Sarah Wynde
December 11, 2012 @ 10:37 am
I tried out the pose to see how hard it was (I’m flexible and female, so I didn’t think it would be all that tough, to be honest) and you get the win, IMO. The angle of the squatting leg is actually difficult to manage–staying balanced is much tougher with it angled in the way it was on the cover and you did it. Kudos to you!
Joris M
December 11, 2012 @ 10:40 am
Jim wins because he somehow managed to get the leg angle right. John’s attempt suffers because his shot is from the wrong angle to get the leg in view, it is a bit difficult to determine how close he got to the upper body positioning (although the balance seems to be different).
But well done gentlemen!
Colleen Lindsay
December 11, 2012 @ 10:44 am
laughing too hard to see the voting buttons now…
CaseyL
December 11, 2012 @ 10:45 am
Alex – Re the shoes, my guess is, Jim and John didn’t go out to buy pumps that would fit them, and it’s easier to stuff a man’s foot into a strappy shoe than a closed shoe.
I love me some Scalzi, but had to go with Jim because he nailed the pose.
Any reax from Ms. Pettersson?
Liz Argall
December 11, 2012 @ 10:47 am
Jim’s practice analyzing the small details make him the clear winner, only more head tilt and ankle placement kept him from perfection (these might have been impossible, heads weigh a surprising amount and better no head tilt than a torn groin… I also prefer my writers without shattered ankles)
I am pleased that I can now refer to Scalzi as an excellent writer with a fine turn of ankle.
Bridgitt
December 11, 2012 @ 10:48 am
IT BURNS!!!! What has been seen cannot be unseen! This is fantastic. I love both of you.
Melissa
December 11, 2012 @ 10:49 am
While Scalzi perfected the pose, the site of all that man-hair just, well ICK. Hines, however, has sexier hairless legs and wins in my book.
Melissa
December 11, 2012 @ 10:51 am
*sight* grrr autocorrect
Eric
December 11, 2012 @ 10:59 am
Goggles, Y U No Work!
Had to vote for Scalzi even if the head tilt is off. That and there’s no frosting.
Oz
December 11, 2012 @ 11:01 am
I am donating $50 to counteract Scalzi’s attempt to BUY votes!
Rosefiend
December 11, 2012 @ 11:07 am
But Jim shaved his legs, which earned him a million points! I wonder how many times he had to clean out his razor before he’d finished.
Cheryl
December 11, 2012 @ 11:09 am
I need mental floss now. Jim wins hands down; leg shaving represents true dedication.
Wendy
December 11, 2012 @ 11:11 am
I officially vote Scalzi…butonlyunderduressandforagoodcausebecauseIreallythinkJimHinesdidabetterjob
Mallory
December 11, 2012 @ 11:12 am
I voted for Jim and the shaved leg – oooooooh how sexy 🙂
ghg
December 11, 2012 @ 11:14 am
Ignoring everything other than a legitimate attempt to see who replicated the pose best (not to the best of their ability, but just plain best), I would say that Jim took this round by a good margin. You can say that he’s had more practice, but modeling is clearly a discipline where practice pays off.
Karen
December 11, 2012 @ 11:17 am
Such a difficult choice!! The blond wig is definitely inspired, but hey, I gotta go with the shaved leg. Now that, my friends, is true dedication to a cause…
Barb Hendee
December 11, 2012 @ 11:18 am
So fun! John’s costume is better (love the wig), but Jim’s pose is more accurate, so I voted for Jim. But you’re both awesome.
Chris
December 11, 2012 @ 11:18 am
I voted for Jim because man HE SHAVED HIS LEGS!!
Minna
December 11, 2012 @ 11:24 am
Oh bloody hell. I’m voting for you Jim in the hopes that some good doing will rid myself of the terror or Scalzi in a dress revealing his thigh. Kristine clearly must really love you but I’m wondering did her respect sort of wane the morning after this was taken? At least you warned me.
Sarra Bess
December 11, 2012 @ 11:36 am
I’m slightly disturbed by the fact that both of you appear to own crossbows.
mattw
December 11, 2012 @ 11:36 am
Should we be at all concerned that you both have easy access to crossbows?
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 11:38 am
Yes.
Jeff
December 11, 2012 @ 11:39 am
Forget washing my eyes with soap. Ima haveta BOIL my eyes after seeing Scalzi, but he gets my vote for sheer AUDACITY and EWWW FACTOR!!! LOL!!!
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 11:40 am
Much of the credit here goes to my wife Amy, who helped a lot with, um, adjusting me…
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 11:41 am
I know she was excited about her book being chosen, but I haven’t seen her reaction to the actual results yet. Or maybe she has, and has simply fled the internet…
Random Michelle
December 11, 2012 @ 11:44 am
Jim, you totally got the pose right. Scalzi’s pose looks a lot less painful.
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 11:45 am
Basically, these are the shoes I was able to borrow from my wife.
In my case, shorts and underwear were up to the job. One of the poses yesterday was a little more challenging on that front, though…
Jim
December 11, 2012 @ 11:46 am
They are both so great for so many reasons, but I had to give Jim the edge due to the shaving and the slightly more accurate look of concentration. Don’t know if he’s pretending to aim or just trying not to fall over.
Any word on the model for the original? How did she sty like that? Or did she?
odaiwai
December 11, 2012 @ 11:46 am
Jim clearly wins for 1) the closer pose, and 2) shaving his legs.
Post shave all over body stubble is horrible and you need a *very* understanding partner to cope with that.
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 11:48 am
I did inquire as to the possibility of recruiting Mr. Wheaton, but I’m afraid that’s not going to happen. Not this year, at least.
Keslynn
December 11, 2012 @ 11:50 am
For being a cover posing newb, Scalzi did a great job, and I like that he went that extra mile with the props. Still, I gotta vote Hines. His pose is closer to the one on the cover, and you can’t beat those silky smooth legs.
J. Swan
December 11, 2012 @ 11:50 am
I voted for you because your pose is more carefully matched to the cover and also because you can see Scalzi is trying not to laugh. You sold the pose better.
But if this was a gross-off instead of a pose-off, Scalzi would be winning in a landslide, and I do have to give him credit for the spaghetti strap. He’s got you there.
Leah Petersen
December 11, 2012 @ 11:55 am
It’s interesting that these pictures started out way back as a way to point out the ridiculous poses women are put in on book covers, because you all seemed so impressed with the leg shaving. You realize women are expected to do that IRL and ALL THE TIME? I acknowledge and appreciate the much-increased irritation of starting with a lot of hair rather than a simple maintenance job. Still, perhaps Jim and others can now understand why that’s so frickin’ annoying to be expected to do daily and you can all spare a little love for those who do.
Especially because, IRL, ain’t one of us who’s ever contorted herself into that position on purpose. Mad props to both of you for that.
Kerrie Hughes
December 11, 2012 @ 12:03 pm
No lipstick? This ain’t over till someone has some nice red lips.
Sean
December 11, 2012 @ 12:04 pm
Excellent poses by both. Jim has the posing accuracy and the extra points for shaving the leg (LOL), but I voted for John because he has posted a promise on his blog of an additional donation for more votes. Yes, he is shamelessly buying votes, now.
Clay Dowling
December 11, 2012 @ 12:07 pm
Had to vote for Scalzi. I love ya Jim, but the wig and the beard together, that’s got a special place in my heart that I’ll never, ever be able to scrub clean.
Jim C. Hines
December 11, 2012 @ 12:07 pm
I’m going to try to do a post this week about exactly that, talking about the ridiculous of leg-shaving and such.
Elizabeth
December 11, 2012 @ 12:09 pm
I gotta say, I’m maybe most impressed that it only took you one disposable razor.
Dogmatix
December 11, 2012 @ 12:10 pm
I’m not sure what it says about my mental landscape that my first reaction was delighted cackling and applause. XD
Very, very difficult choice, but I finally had to go with Hines, because he totally nailed the posture ~and~ he shaved for it (and shaving your legs is a ~pain~, ugh). I have to say though, Scalzi gets kudos for the props, and for ~not~ shaving (because I am a contrary little thing). Massive applause for both of them :3
Justin Mohareb
December 11, 2012 @ 12:11 pm
I considered each and the final winner was Jim, if only for the proper pose. And the shoes.
Donna
December 11, 2012 @ 12:14 pm
My vote goes to Jim–he’s got the pose right, facing the right direction, and isn’t trying to buy votes with a blonde wig.
Vicki Pettersson
December 11, 2012 @ 12:15 pm
I don’t want anyone to think of me as lacking a sense of humor, but I am *so* pissed right now.
Where were you guys when we were searching for cover models?
*throws pen down in pique/disgust*
Mary Robinette Kowal
December 11, 2012 @ 12:19 pm
The accuracy of Jim’s pose won the vote from me. Also the leg shaving. Sure, Scalzi’s rocking the wig, but he could take that off right after the photo shoot. The shaved leg now… That’s going to live with you for awhile.
sistercoyote
December 11, 2012 @ 12:24 pm
What, you don’t have a crossbow just laying around the house?
(Okay, I don’t, either, but I used to live in a house where obtaining one, or a sword or six, or even a sword-cane wouldn’t have been a problem.)
Age of the geek, baby.
I voted Jim — as others have noted, the shaving put it over the top for me. Though the wig and LBD were a nice touch from that other guy.
Jim
December 11, 2012 @ 12:29 pm
But Vicki Pettersson, who did you VOTE for?
Noël
December 11, 2012 @ 12:31 pm
Yep, I’m a sucker for a guy with shaved legs.
Monica Brosam
December 11, 2012 @ 12:36 pm
I voted for Jim because you just sold it! The expression, the posture and the legs! John’s was more shocking since I am not sure that image will ever leave me but Jim ya just nailed it!
Bill Stewart
December 11, 2012 @ 12:36 pm
Scalzi has the right leg pointed the wrong directions (right knee out to the right, instead of forward to the left.) Jim has it about right, which lets him get the head tilt closer to the original. (There are some differences, such as having male hip-bone shapes, and taking the picture at home instead of in a low-gee Photo Shop, but he’s pretty close.)
But Scalzi’s pose is pretty awesome, and I’m sure it will inspire some cover artist to use it!
Beth Meacham
December 11, 2012 @ 12:42 pm
After I recovered from the laughing, I have to give my vote to Jim, despite John’s very convincing attempt at bribery. I cannot be bought, sir. I cannot be bought.
The shaved leg is true dedication. Also, Jim somehow managed to get the shoulder right. Ow.
Liz Argall
December 11, 2012 @ 12:42 pm
She has a great eye.
Looking at the cover and your photos in greater detail I wonder if it’s physically possible to do that pose and have a scooped in waist. My feeling is that it wouldn’t scoop in. Even if you were a woman with a very defined waist I feel like it would be a more continuous crescent from hip to shoulder… certainly not scalloped in as much as it is.
Would you mind doing that pose again, but wearing a corset? I could be wrong and I want to see if the scooped waist is remotely possible.
… for science, of course.
Kathy Lehman
December 11, 2012 @ 12:57 pm
Jim’s pose is nearly perfect. While Scalzi’s is funny, Jim’s left toe point and perfect balance take him over the edge for the win.
Margaret
December 11, 2012 @ 1:01 pm
I’m frankly slightly disturbed at how closely Jim’s left leg resemble’s the cover (and also strangely jealous because I think he has nicer legs than I do…). I can’t unsee either pose, but Jim got my vote because his is more accurate.
Kat Richardson
December 11, 2012 @ 1:06 pm
As lovely and coffee-spluttering as Scalzi’s pose was, I had to go for Jim. Not only far more accurate in terms of positioning, but for god’s sake, Jim shaved his legs! I don’t shave my legs in the winter. That’s some dedication.
Scalzi does have the irony down very well though–the wig and the smirk are definitely worth the eyewash. 😉
Kat Richardson
December 11, 2012 @ 1:07 pm
P.S. Nice legs, Jim! Vavavoom!
ReedRover
December 11, 2012 @ 1:07 pm
Obviously your talent agency is limiting itself!
Elya
December 11, 2012 @ 1:09 pm
Points for Jim: pose accuracy, very lovely shaved leg.
Points for Scalzi: costume, bribery for a good cause.
I placed my vote for Scalzi ’cause I can totally be bribed for a good cause, and it’ll get us that much closer to the super-special-ultra-bonus pose for $5000.
But Jim…. daaaaaaamn. *appreciative whistle, slow clap*